1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,390 David did use prostitutes, on a fairly industrial level. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,870 I'd had sex with him. For money. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,790 I was cleared of any involvement in my husband's disappearance 26 years ago. 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,550 You are beginning to scare me. 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,910 I just want to know when I can visit him. He's my dad. 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,110 "Nightlife supremo David Walker and party donor Colin Osborne." 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,590 I'm not sure of our position, discussing Colin's departure. 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,390 - How much? - Five thousand. 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,310 If you threaten my family's future again, 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,390 I will hurt you very badly. 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,790 This travel card was found in an office desk of his. 12 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,750 When was that time Marion broke in? 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,310 You're not my friend, Zoe. You're just another patient 14 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,030 I'll forget as soon as you've gone. 15 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,710 But Elise says you told her it was about a murder. 16 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,390 What did you tell them? 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,070 So we have one IRA activist, Sinead Quinn, 18 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,350 the murder of a Tory party fund-raiser, 19 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,340 and linking them, we have Marion Kelsey. 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,440 ♪ All we do is hide away 21 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,040 ♪ All we do is All we do is hide away 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,550 ♪ All we do is lie and wait 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,470 ♪ All we do is All we do is lie and wait 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,950 ♪ I've been upside down 25 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,750 ♪ I don't wanna be the right way round 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,680 ♪ I've found paradise on the ground ♪ 27 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,390 - Hi. - Hi. 28 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,230 - I thought you'd be asleep. - Flo had a nightmare. 29 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,270 Oh, no. Is she all right now? 30 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,150 Fine, yeah. I think she's just feeling a bit unsettled. 31 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,750 Yeah. Sorry about that. The brief came in just as I was leaving -- 32 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,800 Your clerk said you weren't in the office. 33 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,240 Well, I went to the Oaks to have some supper while I worked. 34 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,190 What was it like, Col? The City in the '80s? 35 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,240 Was it really as brutal as everyone says? 36 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,190 Why don't you just ask me outright, Simon? 37 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,510 Did it screw me up so much I could have killed someone? 38 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,560 Did it? 39 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,760 No, it didn't. 40 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,340 I know I've messed up here, hugely. But please... 41 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,320 .. please, can I never have to answer that question again? 42 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,520 - Hello. - Hi. 43 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,000 I went for a drive. 44 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:07,550 To... think how I could explain to you what happened to me. 45 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,760 What happened to you? Someone did this to you, did they? 46 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,830 You had nothing to do with the decision? 47 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,820 Of course I had something to do with it. 48 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,990 What I wanted to explain was... 49 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:26,590 .. at that point in my life I believed -- wrongly, obviously -- 50 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,510 that I had no other choice. 51 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:34,150 Since when does becoming a prostitute... 52 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,910 What has to have gone wrong 53 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,120 for that to be the best option available? You weren't a kid, Sara. 54 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,480 This was 1989. You were 21. 55 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,430 And I, I know you lost your parents, 56 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,750 and I know school hadn't worked out for you, 57 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,800 and I know life had been tough, but this? 58 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,230 So please, please explain to me what happened in your life 59 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:06,760 that made having sex with men for money your only option? 60 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:13,840 I don't know. 61 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,920 I just... 62 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,480 .. I'd lost my way. 63 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,790 This man, the one that died? 64 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:33,270 I was abroad when he died. It wasn't me. 65 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,830 - Where? - It was when I was in Italy. 66 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,910 You've heard me talk about Italy a million times. It was then. 67 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,590 And you can prove that, can you, with specific dates? 68 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,430 - To you, or the police? - The police. 69 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,680 I don't know. I think so. 70 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,430 I think I have photos, but I'd need to check. 71 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,510 But if I can't, Hass, I swear on our children's lives 72 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,800 whatever happened to him, it wasn't me. 73 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,670 - I'll sleep in the spare room. - Please, Hassan -- 74 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,910 We never speak to anyone else about this, Sara. 75 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,390 It never leaves our house. 76 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,000 Please. Ever. 77 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,920 You've... You've broken my heart, my love. 78 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,940 You've broken my heart. 79 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:01,870 Thank you for coming with me. It helped, having you there. 80 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,630 You know, my kids aren't much younger than you, 81 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,380 and, um, their dad... he died when they were little. 82 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,000 And I know it's different because you've only just learnt, 83 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,150 but if you ever wanted to, um, compare notes, 84 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,520 you know, over a beer, 85 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,660 I think they'd be very happy to. 86 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:28,790 You... You know there's, um, something, not... right with me. 87 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,070 You... With my, ah... wiring. 88 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,190 So what I'm saying is, um, 89 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,270 that I, I'd like a beer. 90 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,750 But I never really get asked, 91 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,470 so, um, I might be shit at it. 92 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,230 Luckily they're both very good at beer. 93 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,430 So I'm sure they could show you the ropes. 94 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,070 Shall I text you some dates? 95 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,110 - Yeah, I'd, I'd like that. - OK. 96 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,760 Thanks again. 97 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,990 - Hope you feel better. - Thanks, sweetheart. 98 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,750 - Bye, Mum. - Bye. 99 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,120 - Yousef? - I'm late. 100 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,950 .. and we haven't been able to locate any details of your movements 101 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,190 between your last contact with David and when you reported him missing. 102 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,190 Is it possible that you could just jot something down for us? 103 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,430 You want me to remember what I was doing for 48 hours 27 years ago? 104 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:50,040 Tragically, I'm sure those few days are engrained in your memory. 105 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,470 Yeah. I'll do my best. 106 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,430 Thank you, Tessa. 107 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,020 - 'Speak to you soon.' - Yeah. 108 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,550 OK. So what about Colin? 109 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,910 I presume a place like the Maudsley is secure? 110 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,950 Well, it'll have secure units, but it's not a prison, 111 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,870 so I imagine if you wanted to get out, you could. 112 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,590 To kill a man? 113 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,030 Fran's talking to the hospital today, 114 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,950 checking up on what records they have. 115 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:26,910 - And any joy with Sinead Quinn? - Not yet. 116 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,270 We know she was released from Holloway 117 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,230 - under the Good Friday agreement. - Yeah. 118 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,620 But that's about it so far. 119 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,200 OK. 120 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,990 Marion? Zoe was supposed to be here for an 11:30 chemo. 121 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,190 Oh. Do you want me to call her parents? 122 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,780 No, it's all right. I'll do it. 123 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,950 Mr Osborne left us in late 1990, following an incident here 124 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,110 on the evening of March 16, 1990. 125 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,030 An allegation was made by a temp, Maria Gonzalez, 126 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,830 that at some point during a bonus celebration party, 127 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,470 a serious sexual assault was perpetrated by Mr Osborne on her 128 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,830 in an office lavatory cubicle. 129 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,390 What, sexual assault? 130 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,510 She said he raped her. 131 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,910 Sorry -- we've done a full sweep of Mr Osborne's criminal history, 132 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,790 and there's no record of any rape allegation. 133 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,580 Well, no, there -- there wouldn't be. 134 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,540 Um... it was handled internally. 135 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,700 For various reasons, it was never reported to the police. 136 00:10:51,820 --> 00:10:54,360 - Sorry! - Are you dumb, bruv? 137 00:10:56,620 --> 00:10:59,100 Yousef! What's up? 138 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:14,810 You're not under arrest. 139 00:11:14,860 --> 00:11:18,490 You're free to end this interview whenever you like. 140 00:11:18,540 --> 00:11:21,740 I'm just going to ask, Sara, what sort of services you offered. 141 00:11:22,820 --> 00:11:24,410 Just normal. 142 00:11:24,460 --> 00:11:27,930 - Just straight sex? - Yeah. 143 00:11:27,980 --> 00:11:31,080 Which is what your friend Samira Khan said. 144 00:11:32,140 --> 00:11:34,530 However, we do now know 145 00:11:34,580 --> 00:11:40,570 that, ah, David Walker's sexual tastes were not that normal. 146 00:11:40,620 --> 00:11:44,900 He both liked to hurt and be hurt by women. 147 00:11:46,820 --> 00:11:48,690 University College Hospital, 148 00:11:48,740 --> 00:11:52,090 less than 100 yards from your old Kings Cross flat. 149 00:11:52,140 --> 00:11:56,170 do you remember attending UCH AandE 150 00:11:56,220 --> 00:11:59,250 on 16 February 1990? 151 00:11:59,300 --> 00:12:03,090 The same day, in fact, that you sent your address 152 00:12:03,140 --> 00:12:05,540 to David Walker's pager? 153 00:12:06,540 --> 00:12:08,690 No. 154 00:12:08,740 --> 00:12:10,770 The hospital records 155 00:12:10,820 --> 00:12:14,330 show that you presented with a suspected dislocated jaw. 156 00:12:14,380 --> 00:12:19,850 You don't recall sustaining this rather serious injury? 157 00:12:21,450 --> 00:12:22,450 Not really. 158 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:25,250 It was an occupational hazard. 159 00:12:25,300 --> 00:12:27,610 Well, indeed. 160 00:12:27,660 --> 00:12:31,620 We were wondering if it was David Walker that inflicted this injury. 161 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:35,290 - I don't remember him. - And next time he turned up, 162 00:12:35,340 --> 00:12:37,010 - he got even more violent with you -- - No. 163 00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:40,730 - -- and in self-defence... - No. I don't remember this man. 164 00:12:40,780 --> 00:12:43,980 When he was murdered, I was living in Italy. 165 00:12:44,060 --> 00:12:49,250 So you say you left the UK in March, Sara, 166 00:12:49,300 --> 00:12:52,500 - and went to Europe for nine months. - I don't "say" it. I did. 167 00:12:54,180 --> 00:12:57,970 - Where did you stay? - Hostels, pensions. I moved around. 168 00:12:58,020 --> 00:13:00,010 - Was that on your own? - Yeah. 169 00:13:00,060 --> 00:13:03,540 - Did you work? - Yeah. In bars and clubs. 170 00:13:04,380 --> 00:13:07,530 - So you have no payslips, or... - It was cash in hand. 171 00:13:07,580 --> 00:13:10,170 Did you make any friends who could vouch for you? 172 00:13:10,220 --> 00:13:14,130 I made friends, yeah. The sort you do on holiday. 173 00:13:14,180 --> 00:13:18,050 But none I could remember 30 years later. 174 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:19,700 Mm. 175 00:13:22,980 --> 00:13:24,810 We just need some proof, Sara, 176 00:13:24,860 --> 00:13:26,570 - that you -- - You've already said. 177 00:13:26,620 --> 00:13:30,850 Check passport records, or however you do it. 178 00:13:30,900 --> 00:13:35,090 We're in the process of doing that. But it's not that easy. 179 00:13:35,140 --> 00:13:38,300 So anything else you can give us will be enormously helpful. 180 00:13:42,580 --> 00:13:44,980 OK. Thank you for your time. 181 00:13:49,820 --> 00:13:51,690 Sorry -- one thing. 182 00:13:53,380 --> 00:13:57,650 Just upping sticks like that and heading off abroad for nine months -- 183 00:13:57,700 --> 00:14:00,240 it's quite a big deal, isn't it? 184 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:03,370 Anything in particular prompt that move? 185 00:14:03,420 --> 00:14:07,420 It wasn't any one thing, if that's what you're implying. 186 00:14:08,540 --> 00:14:10,410 It was my life. 187 00:14:10,460 --> 00:14:13,860 I knew if I'd stayed any longer, I would have died. 188 00:14:14,860 --> 00:14:16,860 And I wanted to live. 189 00:14:18,580 --> 00:14:20,700 We'll be in touch. 190 00:14:37,460 --> 00:14:39,090 Her parents thought she was here. 191 00:14:39,140 --> 00:14:41,930 So when I called, they looked in her room and found her diary. 192 00:14:41,980 --> 00:14:44,330 Were you drinking with her two nights ago? 193 00:14:44,380 --> 00:14:47,850 Absolutely not. I mean, I -- I was in the pub, 194 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:49,530 but I went there on my own. 195 00:14:49,580 --> 00:14:51,450 But you told her to leave? She was under age, 196 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:53,610 - and it was completely inappropriate? - Yes, I did. 197 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:55,730 Then can you explain why it says in her diary 198 00:14:55,780 --> 00:14:58,720 that you bought her a Malibu and orange? 199 00:15:00,100 --> 00:15:01,810 - I bought her one drink. - Oh. 200 00:15:01,860 --> 00:15:05,760 I let her sit with me for two minutes, and then I left. 201 00:15:06,210 --> 00:15:07,210 OK. 202 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:09,290 Well, I need to speak to my line manager. 203 00:15:09,340 --> 00:15:10,930 - I think you need to go home. - What? 204 00:15:10,980 --> 00:15:14,170 How can you not get, you completely overstepped the boundaries? 205 00:15:14,220 --> 00:15:16,250 - Nicola, please -- - She's a 17-year-old kid, 206 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:18,050 with a very weakened immune system. 207 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:20,890 You're meant to be caring for her, not getting her drunk. 208 00:15:20,940 --> 00:15:24,260 - Your judgement's gone. - I'm so sorry. I, I... 209 00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:28,530 I'm not in a good place at home. 210 00:15:28,580 --> 00:15:31,210 A few things in my personal life that's going wrong. 211 00:15:31,260 --> 00:15:34,530 - Can I please speak to the parents? - No, you're going nowhere near them. 212 00:15:34,580 --> 00:15:36,730 They're on their way here, and they're not happy. 213 00:15:36,780 --> 00:15:40,410 - Go home, Marion. - Did she say anything in her diary 214 00:15:40,460 --> 00:15:43,700 - about where she was going? - No, and she's not answering her phone. 215 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:47,100 No one has any idea where she is. 216 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:03,250 And it was a woman who made the allegation? 217 00:16:03,300 --> 00:16:05,090 'Yes. Why?' 218 00:16:05,140 --> 00:16:07,480 Because Colin Osborne's gay. 219 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:10,650 Right... 220 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:13,370 Well, I'm going to try and track her down, 221 00:16:13,420 --> 00:16:16,330 and I've got the name of the lawyer from Klein Egerton 222 00:16:16,380 --> 00:16:20,180 who handled it at the time. I think he's still alive. 223 00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:23,700 - We'll speak to you later. - 'OK, guv.' 224 00:16:25,220 --> 00:16:27,970 Maybe it was this that prompted his breakdown. 225 00:16:28,020 --> 00:16:31,520 The timing seems a bit coincidental, doesn't it? 226 00:16:32,860 --> 00:16:35,490 Though how it connects to David Walker... 227 00:16:35,540 --> 00:16:40,420 - If it even does. - If it even does. Yeah. 228 00:16:51,860 --> 00:16:56,020 You took your time. 229 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:04,820 Whatever it is, bro, it can't be that bad. 230 00:17:05,740 --> 00:17:09,940 - Mate, I'm telling you. - Yeah. Except you ain't. 231 00:17:12,980 --> 00:17:15,050 You've got to swear, Mus, you never tell anyone. 232 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:17,450 Not Ollie, not Piot -- no one. 233 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:19,980 I promise, man. It's cool. 234 00:17:36,620 --> 00:17:39,220 'This is Zoe. Leave a voicemail.' 235 00:17:51,780 --> 00:17:55,330 - 'Marion? You OK?' - I'm in trouble, Tony. 236 00:17:55,380 --> 00:17:58,490 - Where are you? - 'Borough Market.' 237 00:17:58,540 --> 00:18:01,260 Stay there. I'm coming now. 238 00:18:32,620 --> 00:18:35,580 We need more. 239 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:39,570 We need to buy furniture and stuff. 240 00:18:39,620 --> 00:18:43,100 - We haven't enough. - I told your boyfriend, no more. 241 00:18:49,180 --> 00:18:51,130 - I'll tell about the car. - Go ahead, tell. 242 00:18:51,180 --> 00:18:54,780 You're not getting another fucking cent out of me. 243 00:19:42,660 --> 00:19:44,490 - 'Boss?' - Jake. 244 00:19:44,540 --> 00:19:46,610 I just had a phone call 245 00:19:46,660 --> 00:19:50,090 off the woman that researched the society photos of David Walker. 246 00:19:50,140 --> 00:19:53,810 Right. The woman from the local conservative party office? 247 00:19:53,860 --> 00:19:56,330 Yeah. Name of Mandy Halcross. 248 00:19:56,380 --> 00:19:59,770 It turns out she's worked there for years in one capacity or another, 249 00:19:59,820 --> 00:20:03,650 but her very first job there was in 1989. 250 00:20:03,700 --> 00:20:08,170 Her mum ran the canteen, and she helped out in the summer holidays. 251 00:20:08,220 --> 00:20:09,970 'Right.' 252 00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:15,420 So she was 12 years old in the summer of '89. 253 00:20:17,260 --> 00:20:20,450 'She'd never told anyone this before, 254 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:22,570 because she's always felt too ashamed, 255 00:20:22,620 --> 00:20:27,250 but she just told me that during that five-week holiday period, 256 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:29,370 on two separate occasions, 257 00:20:29,420 --> 00:20:32,220 David Walker sexually assaulted her.' 258 00:20:36,460 --> 00:20:39,460 - 'Boss, are you there?' - Yeah, I'm here. 259 00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:41,850 How credible did you feel she was? 260 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:45,890 Well, there were no witnesses, there'll be no forensic, 261 00:20:45,940 --> 00:20:48,410 the suspect's dead, 262 00:20:48,460 --> 00:20:51,540 so all I've got to go on here is instinct. 263 00:20:52,740 --> 00:20:54,540 'I believed her.' 264 00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:58,170 'It's nearly 30 years since this happened to her.' 265 00:20:58,220 --> 00:21:00,690 I'm the first person she's ever told, 266 00:21:00,740 --> 00:21:02,010 and... 267 00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:05,330 .. it still ripped her apart when she did. 268 00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:08,890 'There are no newspapers involved. There's no conspiracy website.' 269 00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:12,860 'She has absolutely nothing to gain by telling me what she did.' 270 00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:18,100 So yeah, I believed her, 100%. 271 00:21:21,620 --> 00:21:23,650 Get everyone together for a full briefing. 272 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:26,700 - We'll be back in half-an-hour. - 'Guv.' 273 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,150 I don't know the man they're asking about! I'd never have hurt anyone! 274 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,070 I mean, I know you know that, but... 275 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,270 the thing is, the police found out other stuff 276 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,750 about some people I... hung about with in the '80s, 277 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,510 - that I shouldn't have. - What people? 278 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,590 I, I lived in a flat, 279 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,550 I shared a flat, I shared a... 280 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,350 I shared a bed, with a woman... 281 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,040 .. called Sinead Quinn, who... 282 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:01,960 She was a... 283 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,560 - .. a Republican. - What do you mean, a republican? 284 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,350 An Irish Republican. IRA. 285 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,790 - No! - I was fucked up, Tony. I -- 286 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,190 - When was this? - It was in the late '80s. 287 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,310 This -- this is Enniskillen! 288 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,910 This is the Baltic Exchange! How long were you with her? 289 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,550 - Not more than a year. - A YEAR? 290 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,830 - I never met -- I never saw any -- - You slept with someone 291 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,950 - who thinks blowing up kids is -- - But like I said, 292 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,230 - I was messed up, Tony. - Oh, we know you were messed up. 293 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,640 We've known for years. What no one has the remotest idea of is why! 294 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,040 Jesus Christ. 295 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,390 How two sisters, with exactly the same upbringing -- 296 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,990 I was wondering how long it'd be till you brought my sister in. 297 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,630 - I'm not bringing her in -- - If she's so marvellous, Tony, 298 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,120 why didn't you just marry her? You always wanted to fuck her! 299 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,790 - Do you know, I have no idea who you are. - Really? 300 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,430 Oh, that's it? Walk away? Off you go! 301 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,480 Bye! 302 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,630 You know what, Marion? 303 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,380 I'm beginning to think you could have done anything! 304 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,910 If he abused a kid, 305 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,430 I don't give a toss what happened to him in the past. 306 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,710 In fact, if he was abused as a kid, it makes it almost worse. 307 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,760 He'd know. He'd know how appalling it was. 308 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,760 Except he would have been a very messed-up human being himself. 309 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,720 - Obviously. - Yeah. Sorry, I don't buy that. 310 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,760 What do you mean, you don't buy that? 311 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,190 It's just a fact. 312 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,780 It's not my opinion, it's a f... 313 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,140 Oh, for God's sake. Come on, move, move! 314 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,510 - Yus! What's up? - Oh my days, Jamal. 315 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,910 - You'll never guess what. - What? 316 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,360 - Well, he told me not to say anything. - What? 317 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,620 Seriously, what do you mean, you don't buy it? 318 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,750 Do you really want to get into this? 319 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,790 A person who's been sexually abused as a child would be very damaged. 320 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,630 Yes, and? It doesn't give them a right to abuse other kids, does it? 321 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,630 No, of course it doesn't. Bloody right. 322 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,790 I'm not trying to justify it. 323 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,630 - I mean trying to understand. - Understanding paedophiles. Nice. 324 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,070 No, no. Hang on, hang on. When a kid who's been abused 325 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,430 goes off the rails and does something awful, 326 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,470 we don't just dismiss them as monsters, do we? 327 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,670 - No, because they're children. - Right. Right. 328 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,750 So when does that kid suddenly stop deserving some understanding? 329 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,350 Was it on their 10th birthday? Or their 12th? Their 14th? 330 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,670 - How about when they're an adult? - Ah -- no. 331 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,110 That's when we let them take proper responsibility, 332 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,070 punish them and protect society from them. 333 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,870 Why the hell does it also mean we stop trying to understand them? 334 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,590 So maybe they don't do it again. 335 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,190 Because most abuse victims don't go and abuse others. 336 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,190 The ones that do choose to, 337 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,550 and that is definitely beyond my understanding. 338 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,720 Are we done? 339 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,030 So as of today, we are splitting the investigation into two strands. 340 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,310 The first will follow our existing line of enquiry, 341 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,550 that one of our persons of interest murdered David Walker 342 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,110 because of some connection around the time of his death. 343 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,830 Sara Mahmoud's as a prostitute. 344 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,830 We're looking at a possible IRA motive with Marion Kelsey. 345 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,350 His wife remains of interest, for obvious reasons. 346 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,990 And then Colin Osborne, the only person so far 347 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,550 that we've conclusively proved actually met David Walker. 348 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,270 Murray, I want you to focus all your attention now 349 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,150 on finding the Klein Egerton temp, Maria Gonzalez, 350 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,990 and Fran, we really need to speak to Sinead Quinn. 351 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,070 Any news yet on Colin and Sara's alibis for May 8? 352 00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,510 - We're still waiting on both. - OK, so keep on that. 353 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,480 And then, we move into very different territory. 354 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,430 We already know David Walker had a lot of secrets. 355 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,630 And now it seems we've just found another. 356 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,790 So myself, Jake and DI Khan 357 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,670 are starting a second line of enquiry, 358 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,430 to investigate if David Walker was murdered 359 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,830 not because he was going to expose what happened to him, 360 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,590 30 years before his death, 361 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,630 and not because of any of these reasons, 362 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,950 but maybe as retribution 363 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,870 for sexual abuse he committed himself. 364 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,790 Now, two of these at least, 365 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,550 Colin Osborne and Sara Mahmoud, 366 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,590 have dysfunction in their lives 367 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,870 very consistent with childhood trauma. 368 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,630 All of them seem to have had some sort of connection with David Walker 369 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,080 in the months before he died. 370 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,790 I think we have to consider the possibility 371 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:02,030 that one, and maybe all of them, 372 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,590 were victims of David Walker as children, 373 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,390 and then, years later, took their revenge. 374 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,790 So I want to interrogate every single aspect of David Walker's adult life, 375 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,880 from when he left school to when he died. 376 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,750 OK? 377 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,560 - [Yes, ma'am.] - Thank you. 378 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,780 I assume we're going to speak to the wife first? 379 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,240 Why don't I do her? 380 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,280 Start chasing down his past. 381 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,310 Right... but obviously she can't read anything, 382 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,100 because you've got a password on it? 383 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,030 Oh, Jesus, Col. 384 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,420 I kept meaning to. I just -- 385 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,990 I forgot. I'm sorry. 386 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,750 Right. Well, what is on there, then, that we need to be worried about? 387 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:59,710 Um, you texted me after I told you about the police interviewing me. 388 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:05,030 - Oh, you are joking! Jesus, Colin! - No! 389 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,230 OK. Look. 390 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,470 She's a smack addict. 391 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,710 Chances are, ten minutes after she nicked it, she sold it for 20 quid. 392 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,060 Chances are, we will be fine. 393 00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:19,030 - Daddy!... - OK? 394 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,200 I think it's all going to be absolutely fine. Coming! 395 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,470 - How? - I'm not sure. 396 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,230 I guess he must have heard us last night. 397 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,430 You know, told someone, who told someone. 398 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,350 I think the school might know as well. 399 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,140 So we'll have to tell the other two. 400 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,710 My colleague, DI Khan, is speaking to Mrs Halcross again now. 401 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,870 But from the conversation we've already had with her, 402 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,910 we're fairly confident 403 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,200 that we're talking about the indecent assault of a child under 13. 404 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,550 If this is true, I promise you, 405 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,000 I knew nothing, absolutely nothing about it. 406 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,070 Which is why I know you'll want to help us as much as you can. 407 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,870 You don't need to use that, 408 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,350 that voice we use to make them think we're their friend. 409 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,270 I'll tell you what I know because I'm a decent person, 410 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,860 not because I think you like me. 411 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,160 When we first met, you mentioned that David did some voluntary work. 412 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,500 What sort of stuff exactly? 413 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,990 He worked at our local hospital, 414 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,120 and at a nearby reform school. 415 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,680 He did stuff for a local children's charity. 416 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,940 I'm going to need an exact list, please. 417 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,190 Names of the institutions, and dates. 418 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,510 And the... the timeline I asked for, 419 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,150 detailing your movements in the days before his death. 420 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,070 Jason, Jason -- no! 421 00:31:27,580 --> 00:31:31,410 - No, he was in tears afterwards. - 'Ah. Good.' 422 00:31:31,460 --> 00:31:34,020 He was incredibly apologetic. 423 00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:38,810 I just think he's got enough crap to deal with right now. 424 00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:42,370 - 'Assaulting a police officer...' - It wasn't an assault. 425 00:31:42,420 --> 00:31:44,770 - It's a serious offence, guv. - 'No, it was an accident.' 426 00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:46,970 'He was... highly emotional.' 427 00:31:47,020 --> 00:31:49,730 'I don't care whether it was an accident or not!' 428 00:31:49,780 --> 00:31:51,370 Then fine. 429 00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:55,170 Let's just hope he doesn't go on to do something more serious, eh? 430 00:31:55,220 --> 00:32:00,170 - I'll see you tomorrow. - 'Night.' 431 00:32:00,220 --> 00:32:01,940 Grub's up. 432 00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:10,900 What is it? 433 00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:21,610 You're drying up. What is it you want? 434 00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:24,530 Just thought it might make you smile. 435 00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:26,290 Cos you haven't, in a while. 436 00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:29,540 - That's rubbish. I smile loads. - Do you? 437 00:32:31,060 --> 00:32:33,610 Well, I would, if you two didn't spend half your lives 438 00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:35,450 trying to drive me round the bloody bend. 439 00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:38,220 We don't do it deliberately. 440 00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:44,480 I'm sorry, Gem. It's just... 441 00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:48,170 I've worked hard, and I'm tired. 442 00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:50,210 Do you want us to stay at Mum's this weekend, 443 00:32:50,260 --> 00:32:53,340 - give you some time off? - No. 444 00:32:53,980 --> 00:32:55,900 Not at all. 445 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:11,300 We thought we'd tell you the truth before you heard it anywhere else. 446 00:33:11,660 --> 00:33:14,730 I'll speak to the school tomorrow, and let them know what's happened. 447 00:33:14,780 --> 00:33:17,770 What are my friends gonna say? 448 00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:20,850 It might be an idea for you to take a few days off, 449 00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,250 till things blow over. 450 00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:25,210 You know the way I feel with it, Ali? 451 00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:28,450 I just see that woman as a different person. 452 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,530 Sara Alazi was not your mum. 453 00:33:31,580 --> 00:33:35,610 Sara Mahmoud is who she is. 454 00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:38,690 Your lovely mum, my lovely wife. 455 00:33:38,740 --> 00:33:41,410 - They'll rip the piss out of me! - Ali, there's no need to swear. 456 00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:44,860 - It's disgusting! Disgusting! - Sweetheart, please. I'm sorry. 457 00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:47,730 - Get off me! - Ali, stop it. 458 00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:49,820 Get off me! 459 00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:06,930 - What the hell have you done? - Don't blame me. - You told everyone! 460 00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:09,130 She's the one who did it in the first place! 461 00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:11,370 - She? Who the hell's SHE? - Leave me alone! 462 00:34:11,420 --> 00:34:14,780 - That's your mother! - Ahmed! Shush! Calm down. 463 00:34:18,580 --> 00:34:20,580 So where is he now? 464 00:34:21,780 --> 00:34:23,690 Egham. They moved there from Winchester. 465 00:34:23,740 --> 00:34:27,610 - But you've not been there? - Not yet. 466 00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:29,810 So you are planning to go? 467 00:34:29,860 --> 00:34:31,580 Yes. 468 00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:36,700 And what are you planning on saying when you go to Egham? 469 00:34:37,380 --> 00:34:41,820 With his wife there, who probably never knew anything about it either? 470 00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:46,410 I'll wait, till he goes outside on his own. 471 00:34:46,460 --> 00:34:48,860 Right. What, and follow him? 472 00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:52,930 OK. 473 00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:55,250 And then what, Shoestring? 474 00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:59,620 - I'll introduce myself. - Mm. Mm. 475 00:35:00,980 --> 00:35:02,890 So talk me through that. 476 00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:08,410 "Hi, I'm Martin. You had sex with my wife 20 years ago -- 477 00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:12,050 I just wondered if we could chat." 478 00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:16,490 That is probably borderline illegal, what you're doing, anyway, 479 00:35:16,540 --> 00:35:19,650 and I can't imagine for one second it's going to make you feel better. 480 00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:25,770 I mean, he's rich, and hilarious, and supersmart. 481 00:35:25,820 --> 00:35:27,730 Does that make you feel better? 482 00:35:27,780 --> 00:35:33,450 Or he's a horrible runty little goblin with halitosis. 483 00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:35,500 Does that? 484 00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:40,490 Or he's ordinary. Like you. Like me. 485 00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:44,610 Don't make a joke of it, please, with Adam. 486 00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:47,170 - What do you mean, a joke? - You do that sometimes. 487 00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:48,890 You find everything funny. 488 00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:50,940 I absolutely do not. 489 00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:56,060 - Hey, guys. - Hi. - Hi. 490 00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:04,780 - What happened to your face? - Oh, it's a, it's a work thing. 491 00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:10,770 Granddad, have you been beating Mum again? 492 00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:14,570 Not yet, but give it a few days. She's a cheeky little sod. 493 00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:19,970 Right. Beer. And you can make an old man very happy 494 00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:22,820 by telling him about your girlfriend. 495 00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:32,050 I have to put my child first, Tess. 496 00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:35,660 I know you'll understand that. 497 00:36:42,540 --> 00:36:45,450 He'd never hurt Becca. He loves her. 498 00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:48,930 I'm not really talking about physical violence. 499 00:36:48,980 --> 00:36:51,620 No... No, no, Paul. 500 00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:53,940 She's 15. 501 00:36:56,620 --> 00:36:58,330 How can you even begin to... 502 00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:02,370 You clearly had no idea what sort of person your husband was. 503 00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:05,420 Why should it be any different with Jason? 504 00:37:07,820 --> 00:37:11,340 - Cos I'm his mother. - And he's his father's son. 505 00:37:13,580 --> 00:37:15,930 I'm sorry. I really am. 506 00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:19,500 But Becca's my only concern right now. 507 00:37:21,460 --> 00:37:23,460 I'll call you. 508 00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:28,420 I'll be staying at my sister's for now. 509 00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:32,020 I just need a little time to work out what's best for us all. 510 00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:36,780 I do love you. 511 00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:11,700 Sara? 512 00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:15,460 Sara! 513 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:19,500 Sara, are you there? 514 00:38:22,820 --> 00:38:24,770 Can you hear me, Sara? 515 00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:26,410 I just want you to know, 516 00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:29,370 we're all here for you if you want to talk. 517 00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:31,980 Any of you. 518 00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:49,450 Well, yes. There were some rumours, 519 00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:54,570 about how Mr Walker was with some of the kids on the ward. 520 00:38:54,620 --> 00:38:57,820 Personally, I never saw anything, of course. 521 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,740 Of course. 522 00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:03,580 Yeah. Quinn. 523 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,090 Yeah, that's right. 524 00:39:06,140 --> 00:39:09,850 She was released as part of the Good Friday agreement. 525 00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:14,940 We are looking for any kind of address after December '99. 526 00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:18,010 We'll be grateful. 527 00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:25,930 It was a kids' charity, and Walker was a volunteer. 528 00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:28,770 Well, we did have suspicions about him, 529 00:39:28,820 --> 00:39:31,570 but obviously I didn't know anything for sure, 530 00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:34,180 or I would have reported it. 531 00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:36,860 Obviously. 532 00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:56,930 How was your mum? 533 00:39:56,980 --> 00:39:59,530 Irritating. 534 00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:02,450 - Any word from Zoe? - Yeah. She's texted her parents. 535 00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:04,490 She's fine, but, um, 536 00:40:04,540 --> 00:40:06,890 well, she's two days now without any care, so... 537 00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:08,610 What about us? 538 00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:14,170 I don't know. That's up to you, I suppose. If you can forgive me. 539 00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:17,700 No, Maz. It isn't up to me. 540 00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:21,250 Because ever since I've known you, 541 00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:24,580 there's been this great big wall around you. 542 00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:28,720 It's always stopped me getting past a certain point. 543 00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:30,930 And the simple fact is, 544 00:40:30,980 --> 00:40:33,940 that if you want us to survive... 545 00:40:35,820 --> 00:40:38,290 .. you've got to take it down. 546 00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:53,450 - Mr Osborne. Mr Osborne? Mr Osborne! - Sorry? 547 00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:55,210 Your daughter's school called. 548 00:40:55,260 --> 00:40:58,770 You were meant to pick her up an hour ago. 549 00:40:58,820 --> 00:41:03,940 Oh! Sorry. Excuse me. Sorry. 550 00:41:18,580 --> 00:41:20,860 Hey, you! 551 00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:24,690 I'm so, so sorry! 552 00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:42,490 Yes, I was at that reform school. 553 00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:45,690 Yes, we all knew what David Walker was. 554 00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:50,010 But we were kids who'd broken the law. 555 00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:53,930 Who was ever going to believe a word we said? 556 00:41:53,980 --> 00:41:57,210 The truth is, a lot of them didn't mind anyway, 557 00:41:57,260 --> 00:42:04,140 cos if they got friendly with him, did wha t he wanted... 558 00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:09,620 .. they'd get invited to the gatherings. 559 00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:12,460 The gatherings? 560 00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:31,530 Sinead Quinn? 561 00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:33,330 You're a hard woman to find. 562 00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:38,210 DC Fran Lingley. I wonder if you spare me five minutes of your time? 563 00:42:38,260 --> 00:42:40,330 - He just got his days mixed up. - What I would say is, 564 00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:42,210 if you felt a family session could help... 565 00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:45,050 .. to talk about time management... 566 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:46,930 Yeah, absolutely. Great idea. 567 00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:49,090 Do you need to get that? 568 00:42:49,140 --> 00:42:52,090 Yeah, sorry. That's probably him on his way back home with Flora. 569 00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:54,650 'No problem. I'll get you get off, and tell him not to worry.' 570 00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:56,890 - 'We've all been there.' - Great. Thank you, Janet. 571 00:42:56,940 --> 00:43:00,210 - Speak tomorrow. - 'OK, great. Bye.' 572 00:43:00,260 --> 00:43:03,170 - Hello? - 'Is that Simon?' 573 00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:06,220 - Who's that? - It's Tyler. How are you doing? 574 00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:11,410 - What do you want? - Straight to the point. I like that. 575 00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:14,370 And since you ask, what we want is 20 grand, 576 00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:16,010 or we'll tell social services 577 00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:19,100 about your husband being interviewed in connection with a murder. 578 00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:24,130 Our witness, Ellen Harriet Price, 579 00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:27,530 told us that a number of these... gatherings took place 580 00:43:27,580 --> 00:43:30,650 between 1981 and 1983. 581 00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:32,770 They were held at a house in Brentford, 582 00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:37,610 and Walker was a regular, as were a number of other men, 583 00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:39,490 from various walks of life. 584 00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:44,050 But most importantly, they were also regularly attended by children 585 00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:47,610 from local care homes, local Borstals and the streets. 586 00:43:47,660 --> 00:43:52,170 Now, these vulnerable kids were plied with drink, and offered drugs, 587 00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:55,900 and then, on a number of occasions, sexually assaulted. 588 00:43:57,140 --> 00:44:00,490 Now, I think we need to consider the possibility 589 00:44:00,540 --> 00:44:03,890 that one of these people was taken to this house, 590 00:44:03,940 --> 00:44:05,970 assaulted by Walker, 591 00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:08,850 and then, eight or nine years later, 592 00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:11,450 they've come across him again and decided to take revenge. 593 00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:15,380 The question is, which? 594 00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:21,290 The IRA wouldn't have touched her with a shitty stick. 595 00:44:21,340 --> 00:44:24,210 - Right. - She was a messed-up, middle-class kid 596 00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:26,650 wanting to piss off Mummy and Daddy. 597 00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:30,770 In fact, her commitment to the cause was pretty accurately demonstrated 598 00:44:30,820 --> 00:44:34,220 when the police knocked on her door about me a few years later. 599 00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:40,580 Did you ever see her with this man? 600 00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:47,810 No. 601 00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:50,570 But she showed me a photo of him once. 602 00:44:50,620 --> 00:44:53,010 Really? 603 00:44:53,060 --> 00:44:55,490 - This man? Are you sure? - Yeah, I'm sure. 604 00:44:55,540 --> 00:44:57,130 In what context? 605 00:44:57,180 --> 00:45:00,130 She said he worked for the Tories, had connections with Thatcher. 606 00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:02,490 She thought he was a potential target. 607 00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:04,890 Target? 608 00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:08,570 We weren't interested. Too small-time. 609 00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:13,170 But aye, she wanted us to kill him.